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Agenda and Minutes -
The 3 Meeting 14/15

Date: 2015/03/26
Time: 14:30
Location: 1410, 14/F, Duke of Windsor Social Service Bldg


1           Confirmation of minutes of the last meeting (Appendix 1)

2           Matters arising

2.1          Concerns on Care or Protection Order

2.2          Special project (vacant schools in Tai Po and Tuen Mun Districts)


3           For discussion

3.1          Feasibility Study of introducing a Voucher Scheme on Residential Care Service for the Elderly (Appendix 2)

3.2          Youth Policy (Appendix 3)

3.3          Workflow of Welfare Agenda and Priorities Setting Exercise 2015 (WAPS) (Appendix 4)


4           For Information

4.1          SWD progress report on WAPS 2014 (Appendix 5)

4.2          Press release on “ 0-1-1” envelope savings programme (Appendix 6)

4.3          Budget Speech 2015 (Appendix 7)

4.4          Progress report (Appendix 8 )


5           Any other business

6           Date of next meeting

15 May 2015(Fri) at 2:30pm





Minutes of the 3rd meeting held on 26 March 2015 at 2:30pm in Room 1410 of the Duke of Windsor Social Service Building.



Dr Annissa Lui (Chairperson)

Hong Kong Lutheran Social Service, Lutheran Church - Hong Kong Synod


Ms Sania Yau(Vice-chairperson)

New Life Psychiatric Rehabilitation Association


Ms Maggie Chan

Caritas – Hong Kong


Ms Chan Pui Yi

Hong Kong Christian Service             


Mrs Queenie Wong

Evangelical Lutheran Church Social Service - Hong Kong


Ms Emily Kwong

Aberdeen Kai-Fong Welfare Association Social Service Centre


Ms Cindy Leung

Hong Kong Family Welfare Society


Dr Ernest Chui

Life Members


Mrs Helina Yuk

Hong Kong SKH Lady MacLehose Centre/ Rep of SC (FC)


Mr Raymond Lai

The Salvation Army/ Rep of SC (CY)


Mrs Winnie Wong

The Hong Kong Society for the Deaf / Rep of SC (Rehab)


Mr Laurence Ho

Co-opted Member


Ms Crystal Cheng






Ms Karen Yiu (CO, CY)



Ms Grace Chan (CO, Elderly)



Mr Moses Mui (CO, FC)



Mr Kuo Chun Chuen (CO, Rehab)



Ms Louisa Yau (O, CY)



Ms Franki Wong (Recorder)






Mr Yeung Chiap To

Sik Sik Yuen/ Rep of SC (ELD)


Mr Chan Wing Kai


The Hong Kong Council of The Church of Christ in China


Ms Lam Yee Mui

The Boys' & Girls' Clubs Association of Hong Kong


Dr Lam Ching Choi

Co-opted Member




1          Confirmation of the minutes of the last meeting

The minutes were confirmed without any amendment.


2          Matters arising

2.1         Concerns on Care or Protection Order

Joint hand with Hong Kong Social Workers’ Association, Hong Kong Social Workers’ General Union, and offices of LegCo Councillor Mr Cheung Kwok Che and Dr Fernando Cheung, a forum on Protection of Children and Juveniles Ordinance (PCJO) was held on 31 January 2015. 131 participants from different service settings attended the forum. There was no urgent issue to follow up at this moment. Yet the discussion on youth’s safety would be continued in concerned platforms.


2.2         Special project (vacant schools in Tai Po and Tuen Mun Districts)

The Labour and Welfare Bureau (LWB) would launch a new special project of utilizing the vacant schools for welfare uses. Two vacant primary schools were identified, which were located in Tai Po and Tuen Mun. SWD aimed at running elderly and rehabilitation services at both sites. An informal brainstorming meeting was held with LWB and SWD on 3 February . The critical concern of the representatives of NGOs was the role and responsibility of being a leading NGO to coordinate the fitting out of various projects in the complex, which might be inefficient and difficult to reach consensus. A follow up meeting with the participants was held and suggestions were made, for example:

  1. Each NGO should not run the same service in both sites. Interested NGO should Indicate the priorities of the sites in the bidding proposal, in order to allow more NGOs involving in this project
  2. Having assistance from Architectural Services Department (ASD)
  3. Having assistance with concrete suggestions from senior architect from SWD
  4. Wisdom sharing on critical success factors of the proposal writing, especially for small/ medium NGOs
  5. Initiating new service model for synergy among the NGOs involving in the project
  6. Providing extra other charges for the maintenance of public space

A formal briefing would be arranged by LWB once the project details were confirmed.


3          For discussion

3.1         Feasibility Study of introducing a Voucher Scheme on Residential Care Service for the Elderly

Dr Ernest Chui shared the findings and recommendations of the study. Proposed by the consultant team, the vouchers would be issued with 5 batches. Mean test would be required. The scheme would be a sliding scale of co-payment with 8 levels of Government subsidy, so that the less that the user could afford, the more the Government would paid. Voucher holders could receive the full subsidy of $11,685 if their income and asset value were at level 0. Topping-up service would be allowed but to the maximum cost of $20,449 only. The consultant team believed that the scheme could help shorten the waiting list of residential care service and provide more choices for the elders. Besides, the service quality would be improved. According to the survey, some EA2 showed interest to the scheme and were willing to upgrade their homes to EA1 level. The demand and supply had already been considered as well.

Members had several worries and concerns:

  1. Private homes might maximize their profit by squeezing the services for the elders.
  2. Quality assurance of private homes would need to be enhanced and monitored.
  3. The service package valued $11,685 was unclear. Quality of care should be included personal care, trainings, etc, instead of providing a living place only.
  4. What were the incentives for EA2 to upgrade their homes to EA1?

Dr Chui noted the concerns and the consultant team had already made the recommendation of asking SWD to take up the role of case manager to follow each case for 6 months.  The importance of quality assurance was well noted but it would subject to number of manpower put by SWD. There would be a LegCo public hearing on 28 March 2015. The Council and concerned NGOs would attend the meeting and channeled their views.


3.2         Youth Policy

Ms Louisa Yau briefed members about the drafted paper on captioned issue. The discussion on youth policy started in Specialized Committee on Children and Youth Service 2 years ago. Specialized Committee believed that the youth policy should achieve the objectives of: (1) Quality of Life, (2) Actualization, (3) Active Citizenship, and (4) Social Cohesion/ Solidity. Children and Youth team had started engaging different stakeholders, for example, discussion in concerned service networks, having focus groups with youth, co-operating with our Research Team to conduct some studies, etc. Meeting with Commission on Youth would be arranged later due to the change of the board members of Commission on Youth. Members appreciated with the preparation but would like to clarify the age range of youth and how the youth policy could help the deprive youth. So far no concrete measure was recommended in the paper. Mr Laurence Ho showed interest to have further discussion with C&Y team.


3.3         Workflow of Welfare Agenda and Priorities Setting Exercise 2015 (WAPS)

The annual meeting of WAPS would be held in the morning on 3 June 2015. Workflow of the whole exercise was shared for members’ perusal. Each service could raise 3 welfare agenda. Concerns on manpower shortage, especially OT, PT and care staff, would be mentioned in the paper. WAPS would mainly focus the discussion with SWD, while the items related to other departments or with policy level would be put in Annual Submission.


4          For Information

4.1         SWD progress report on WAPS 2014

Captioned report was shared and a mapping table with 2015 WAPS items was also prepared for members’ reference.


4.2         Press release on “ 0-1-1” envelope savings programme

In response to the captioned issue, the Council had issued a press release stating our standing of objecting for the cut of welfare budget. Concerned press release was shared with members.


4.3         Budget Speech 2015

Concerned press released was shared.


4.4         Progress report

The progress of each team was illustrated in the report.

Mr Moses Mui highlighted item #14 – Happy Family Kitchen Movement. With the support of Hong Kong Jockey Club Charities Trust, the Project was commenced in February 2015. A briefing session would be held on 27 March 2015 for interested NGO members. Concerned memo was tabled for members’ perusal and members were welcomed to participate in the project.


5          A.O.B.

5.1         Manpower Shortage

With the full subsidy of SWD, the Hong Kong Polytechnic University had run 2 batches of MOT and MPT. Poly U offered running the 3rd batch of MOT and MPT, but the cost of the whole course would increase to HK$660,000 per student. SWD suggested tripartite co-payment (SWD, NGO and Student). Members reflected that the cost was much higher than previous batches and it would be hard for agencies to bear such high cost and risk. Also, it should be the responsibility of the Government.

For another idea, creating a semi-professional and integrated post like assistant to PT and OT, members had no objection on that, but they had hesitation that this could not help on solving the needs of OT and PT in the long run. Members believed that improving the working condition would be another option to attract more people to join welfare sector. It could attract middle-aged or new arrival women, but not limited to attract youth.


6          Date of next meeting

15 May 2015(Fri) 2:30pm at Room 1410